Jobseeker’s Challenge: The Jobseeker Strikes Back!

Thanks very much for all your comments on ‘Mr Bank vs Mr Jobless’ – my blog entry on how unfair it is that the banks get billions in bailouts, yet if you’ve lost your job through no fault of your own, you get a pittance and have to grovel for it.

I’ve been busy reading through them over the past 24 hours. Some of your stories filled me with despair, while others made me angry. There are so many common threads. Individual circumstances differ, but almost all of you say the same things: how long it takes to get the Jobseeker’s Allowance, how impossible it is to live on it and how poorly many of you feel you’ve been treated by the system and its staff.

But among the many comments, one sentence on the guest book caught my eye:

“Instead of blogging about the injustice of life, do something about it.”

Philip makes a good point. Moaning in cyberspace is all very well, but does it get us anywhere? Some of you say it’s made you feel better to read other people’s comments and know that you’re not alone. But venting your spleen isn’t putting any more money into your pocket.  Well, Philip’s comment has got me thinking. Perhaps we could try to do a little something about it. It might not be much, but I’m thinking of starting a petition to raise the Jobseeker’s Allowance and improve the lot of Mr and Ms Jobless in general.

What I’d like to know from you is this: how much do you think the Jobseeker’s Allowance should be a week? What would be realistic? Would £100 a week be enough? Or should it be at least doubled to £121? Last year when I did a challenge to live on the equivalent of the state pension, my partner DJ and I had £104 a week to live on (assuming no savings) and from listening to pensioners relying on it, I saw how difficult it was for many to make ends meet. But unlike many pensioners, jobseekers may have a mortgage, dependant children and they may need to travel to look for work. So what would be sufficient and are there other benefits that you would like to see? Is it fair that jobseekers under the age of 25 only get £47.95? Should there be more financial assistance with rent and mortgage payments?

Besides raising the allowance to a figure it’s possible to live on, from your comments it’s clear something needs to change within the Jobcentre system too. Unemployed people should be treated fairly and with dignity, not like Oliver Twist. Plus from what you say, there seems to be a lack of useful training programmes for the over 25s and an understanding among Jobcentre staff of the recruitment process for skilled or white collar jobs. So perhaps these are other things to include in a petition.

How much should the Jobseeker’s Allowance be a week? What would you add to a petition to improve the lot of jobseekers? Leave a comment and let me know.

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15 Responses to Jobseeker’s Challenge: The Jobseeker Strikes Back!

  1. Unknown says:

    Jobseekers allowance should be based on the essentials of life, i.e. housing expenses, lighting and heating, food, and reasonable expenses for travelling to job interviews. The present amount seems to be based on prices from the 1970s. If anyone can manage to pay all the items I mentioned above on less than £200 a week, I would be very surprised. My housing association rent alone is over £90 a week, and my council tax is £27. General shopping (food, cleaning materials etc.) is at least £60 a week for the two of us. Electricity and gas come to £16 a week. On top of that add on phone bills, TV licence, water bills, and clothing. This is the 21st century, so even £200 a week is peanuts. Even the minimum wage is nearly £230 a (40hr) week, and that is an insult.Is it any wonder that some jobless people take on cash-in-hand work? What really angers me is all the TV and radio ads targetting "benefits scroungers", who are only desperately trying to make ends meet by doing a bit "on-the-side". They are at least working. I\’m not talking about organised criminals, and those claiming benefits in several names while not doing a stroke of work. That\’s a different matter.

  2. Christine says:

    The money is a major problem as it doesn\’t allow you funds to actually look for a job (postage, paper, ink, computer facilities, extra telephone calls, travel to register with agencies which is never covered under any circumstance). If the state pension is poverty level, then job seekers should be on a similar income or there should be a definite additional element to encourage you to get on with looking for jobs.But another side of the coin that seriously needs amending is that the job centre is no longer fit for purpose. There is no help at the job centre if you are anywhere above shop floor supervisor, no advice and no chance of training. They have no ability to deal with CVs – job centre forms are only used for lower grade jobs and possibly not for anything above this. They don\’t even know how to help you fill in the forms that they provide either (I\’ve been someone who has received and had to deal with some of these forms in my time and it would have been so much easier if the job centre had been able to help people to fill them in – had some classics I can tell you). Badly photocopied CVs posted to every firm in an area are not well received either but this used to be something that the job centre helped people to do. Waste of time.When I returned north and had to sign on for a period the job centre could not help with bus or train timetables or how to get to different places in this rural area – the lady dealing with me said she walked to work and knew nothing about buses locally. And didn\’t have the gorm or the work ethic to do anything about it. Also there should be more guidance on training that you can undertake – work experience won\’t get you a job in most cases, you are just cheap labour that is filling in. Unless someone dies on the job, half the staff are promoted or get other jobs you really don\’t have a chance. If you can find a college course that will help you then you need to know the limit of hours that you are allowed to study before your dole is affected. There also needs to be trained and dedicated staff in each job centre who can deal with middle and upper management who lose their jobs. Courses for the unemployed rarely need to be in basic IT anymore. Training in applying for jobs and attending interviews is useful but real training in real jobs for people of all ages (such as plumbing, catering, electrician, motor mechanic, lorry driver, bus driver, painter, decorator, roofer, higher IT schemes, marketing, setting up your own business, apprentice type schemes for people up to 55 are needed). And it needs to be far easier for employers and businesses to use the job centre facilities to recruit people. From the employer\’s side of the desk, there is so much paperwork and bullshit involved in going via the job centre that it\’s easier to use word of mouth, visit the local college, ring up a recruitment agency or advertise in the paper. But reforming the job centres to be relevant to real life is even less likely than the government actually seeing job seekers as members of society who could be productive if properly treated and helped.

  3. Tundaras says:

    Interesting reading – have a few ramblings to add. Rate of JSA has not gone up with true inflation over the course of many years I believe. Taking into account, Retail price index versus lending rates versus overall cost of living. I\’d like to personally see 50% to 100% increase in JSA. I dont think there are enoughtraining oppertunities available for another. Id like to see, apprenticeships in the sectors that really need the staff, for instance healthcare workers with real incentives to complete the training. We always need more general practioners, why not give people oppertunities over time to earn an entry level qualification. Subsidise them while they work part time or let them draw JSA while they train?I have to point out also the flaws in the Job centre approach. Many companies and recruiting agencies like to have candidates on file for bragging rights to the companies they supply. Alot of the time, said vacancy dosnt even exist. This is common practise for companies and recruitment agencies. They like a Data base of people ready to go. The people on it may never receive a call.In terms of the lower rate for under 25s, its unfair, not all under 25s have a support system in the way of parents. I know one guy having a really hard time at the moment hes 23 cant get as much Housing benefit, is really struggling to make ends meet, has bouts of depression and its not nice to see someone so young going through that despite pulling out all the stops to find full time employment. Hes educated, articulate and a professional type. Hes struggling.Solution wise we all need to complain more, dont be scared of going to court with these people, if the complaint channels fail. Go to a tribunal you or make an application online to go to court if you think youve been mistreated or underpayed.I would definately sign any petition and support you 100%. People in receipt of benefits are not an underclass and should not be discriminated as such. I think there is a internal economy which is very important to the UK, compromising of internal spending, an internal tax system and an internal benefit system. A continuous flow of funds which never leaves the British domain. Im not an economist and maybe ignorant but i cant remeber the last time someone on £47.50 per week did millions of pounds worth of damage to the banking sector. I dont recall anyone on £47.50 a week loosing millions in private pensions neither.I think those in receipt of benefits deserve a lot more respect with the average debt at now over £30,000 per person and over £100,000 per household. Did i miss the ball or have many people been living beyond there means for a very long time?People on benefits dont just live within there means they live beneath there means whilst many other live beyond, they deserve respect and the amount afforded to them should be looked at once again. Things maybe pretty unstable right now within the economy but perhaps more so if not for the people living on the breadline.*just my 2 cent ramble.

  4. Dot says:

    I think the housing issues need addressing, Private Landlords hate HB tenants. Plus you get help with 1 bed accom if your single, and only 1 bed accom even if your in 2 bed regardless of how much rent is! BUT can\’t move into less expensive as no way of financing it. I would happily downsize if I could. Mortgage payers need more help to keep their homes.I think the JSA should be A minimum of £100 pw for people running a home to realistically cover basic needs and aid with jobsearch. No point telling us we have to travel up to 90mins for work if we can\’t afford to get to the damn interviews!Some JobCentre staff need to learn we are not scrounging low-lifes. That some have worked for years paid our way bought up families and now need temporay support. Some youngsters need encouragement too they WANT a job and all that goes with it. Respect goes a long way.They need to offer constructive help. Not basic IT training. The chance after 3months to re-train or update skills so we are more marketable without losing our JSA. They need to deal with claimants with respect and be well informed – help thats uniform not differ from town to town. If they recruited people who are or who know how it feels to be unemployed they might be a lot better off!Its good to read this blog and know that you aren\’t the only one . I would happily sign a petition.

  5. Peter says:

    I`d like to add my comments if i may, I lost my job last July, we were lucky we had savings so that the mortgage was still being paid unfortunately this is now running out. We were told a couple of weeks ago that JSA is only paid for the first 6 months of unemployment then it will only pay the NI stamp. I have to travel 25 mile round trip to sign on for approx a £7 NIC.We moved to our house in the country so that i had less travelling time to my work as a salesman travelling long distances. OK i lost my job after 11 years and having only had 2 jobs in the past 25 years i thought i was safe–how wrong. We decided to sell the house and move back to a larger town where work would be more readily available however we have yet to find a buyer after 8 months on the market, but were still not complaining — NO. The government announced there would be help for the long term unemployed with mortgage payments after 13 weeks unfortunately this scheme does not start until April. JSA and incapacity benefit is a neccessary evil, no government wants to deal with this burden, however what I would like to see is a completely fresh approach. I`ve learnt that finding a Job especially as a replacement job to my last in terms of salary etc is a full time challenge. The government (labour – conservatives or other ) needs to employ a specialist team. This team would crack down on the cheats. If you are unemployed then for 2 or 3 morning or afternoons per week you will work in the community for an extra allowance to enhance the standard award. You would still have planty of time left per week to seek work.The sick will be encouraged to find suitable work inline with the disability.Immigrants will no longer be entitled to large London houses paid for by the state to house their large family they will have to move to a suitable part of the country and live in an appropiate type of accomodation according to their needs and be expected to learn English within 3 months and look for work including Community.We can all fall on hard times at some stage in our lives, some need help more than others but above all is the Mental help and well being in providing for oneself and dependant others.I know too well that when i was told after 6 months there was no more JSA i was gutted, it tipped me over the edge. The ironic thing is I can now claim incapicity benefit for depression. As for the comparison between the Elderly and myself and the benefit recieved, I need my computer as this is virtually the only way of looking for and applying for jobs even though they are Ghost jobs (not really there) I need a telephone to call and speak with the agency`s and call during day time (expensive) I need extra heating & lighting than previously required as i`m now at home most days. No i`m not complaining — but please any government don`t lie to me don`t give me false hopes tell me the truth ! it will hurt but only once. Give me the dignity to work and earn some money enough to get by until that elusive job turns up.Alternatively employ me and i`ll sort out the Unemployment system after all I have the experience etc.

  6. Marc says:

    I\’ve been unemployed since September 2007 through choice, after the promises I was made at interview stage never materialised: bonuses, flexible hours, etc… If at the time I had known that finding another job would have been so hard, I would\’ve stayed.Nonetheless, I registered as a jobseeker, was told to qualify that I had to look (and prove I was looking) for 2 jobs per week! What a joke! There is as I\’ve read with other comments, no help for people like me. In my case I have no mortgage and rent privately in Brighton, East Sussex, so the local authority pays my rent in a shared house. I am divorced and my bill to the CSA currently excesses £6,000! No way on £60.50 a week, can I reduce this…I don\’t (and can\’t afford to) go out, don\’t drink but smoke rolled up cigarettes. Everey fortnight I\’ll buy my 50gr of tobacco and papers and filters. Because I like to eat healthy and fresh, I\’ll also buy all my food to last until the next payment.My comment is this: I can live on £60.50 a week but cannot pay my debts. I can\’t train for anything because none of the courses are free. I can\’t go anywhere as travelling isn\’t free either. I only use the buses to go to interviews as and when needed. A Brighton buses Saver ticket (allows you to jump onboard any bus for the day) is £3.60.Also, if you stay with Jobcentre Plus, you become a number and a statistic. Although they might run some help courses with CVs, they don\’t give a monkey about your case. They\’re only there so you can get your JSA after you\’ve proven your intent to find a job.One thing you may not be aware of: your JCP Advisor has got a secret fund at their disposal. It\’s called the ADF (Advisor Discretionary Fund). Currently there\’s a £100 in, available to each and every jobseeker. This is on top of the Emergency Fund also available to you for, yes you\’ve guessed it, emergencies…The best move you can make though, is to ask your advisor to be referred to Working Links.You can only be referred by your JCP advisor. Check for criteria that apply as it\’ll depend of your age, length of unemployment, etc…Working Links will treat you like a person. Not a number or part of a herd of whatevers. They\’ll also give you a personal advisor and put you through a ten week course (1 session a week) to help you with your CV, give you the confidence for interviews. They even have people on site who will go shopping with you for a suitable outfit for, let say an interview or whatever. The best thing is you won\’t have to pay for that. They do. They\’ll even arrange for mock interviews. My advisor was so personal to me that I went for a drink with him from time to time. They are THAT good!One word of advice though: if your JCP Advisor isn\’t bothered (and they won\’t be), push to be referred. Once you\’re there, be prepared to be open minded too as the course will make you rediscover yourself and possibly make you realise other things too.Go on, give it a go! You\’ve nothing to lose as a jobseeker. The Working Links number for Brighton and surroundings is 01273 774010. Give them a ring after you\’ve had a chat with your JCP Advisor and find out what they can do for you.A breath of fresh air in this polluted world.Regards,Froggyknight

  7. Bill says:

    All the basic points have been extremely well done here. Full marks to all. For the under 25`s, I am touching 60, & have said for many years, they have the same rent/poll-tax, identical heat/light & water to us all. They also pay the same for all basic food, drink & essential clothing etc.In short they have the identical cost of living to any other, including pensioners who rent, mortgage ect.Why discriminate twixt pensioners, under 25`s, sick, disabled, unemployed etc?Simply more paper chase & confusion, at least it provides "employment" for the civil service.I say, all the above should receive the basic minimum wage, without discrimination, or income-tax. Both income, as also poll-tax could be abolished & replaced by vat on all essential food, drink, & clothing. I have seen the cost of my essential weekly food & drink more than double in just over 10 years, from just over £10/wk in `96, to almost £30/wk today. This does not include any hope of clothing. Meantime, the basic income support/JSA has only increased by £12.50, just 25%, or 2.5%/a. My heat/light has also doubled, from £5/wk, to at least £10/wk, only 10%/a.In comparison, my road tax has only increased 12 fold (1200%) in 40 years, a mere 30%/a., the insurance 20 fold, 50%/a. I have just receved my new insurance quote, with 40 years no claims bonus, a 50% price hike since last year.Why?If I were paying 5p/mile, ca. 25p/litre more at the diesel pump, to replace the existing tax/insurance, I would be 20% better off @ 10,000 miles/year. Such a "pro-rata" (PAYG) system would give us all much more freedom of choice in transport, & be a much easier cash collection system. It would almost eliminate tax/insurance evasion.Vat on all essential food/drink/clothing, to replace income/poll-tax/insurance, would also eliminate most evasion.All those "actively" seeking employment should be paid an extra 2 hours basic minimum wage for each interview. This might encourage the state to "pro-actively" assist with the employment problem. We also need to completely abolish employment agencies & their extremely foul practices.In Teutonia, pensioners long since have their own union & political party. All pensioners, & all others on benefit should have one lage united union/political party. All the functionaires should be elected from/by the afflicted.Yes, Piper, I would certainly sign any such petition. It is possible that we would need a number of such petitions, in order to sort the many various aspects.Yes, pi

  8. Liz says:

    I applaud you for raising such pertinent issues. I would be the FIRST to sign a petition to raise the level of JSA; yes, I am currently on Job Seekers Allowance. I have worked all my life in a variety of jobs – from food preparation, sales, pattern cutting for a designer to the most recent, an office manager/PA in the City – and therefore am not in the least work shy… but now find myself (a professional single woman renting a two bed flat) with barely ANY money to cover essentials, and despite being ever the bouyant optimist, I am sinking fast into a grim depression over my situation. I\’m sure many can relate to this. This is how it goes – £625 pm max LHA ben for my rent (which incidently is £695). For some asinine reason, the local council x this by 12 then divide by 52, which means every four weeks I receive approx £576. As my rent, like most peoples\’ is due every month (not twice weekly), in the calendar months so far passed, £576 is what I have received each month. This means I have been short by £100; unfairly penalised for fate having laid me off work at a time when I am ALREADY living in a two-bed rented flat with an extra room (hardly big enough to swing a cat!!). LHA rules decree that you are only covered for one room per person per property – this new (impoved??) legislation came into effect in April 08. This being the case, I have £142 left per month for bills, food, etc. As my bills come to over £100 per month, I have £42 left for food!!!! I have no family nor partner to bail me out, so may end resorting to selling possessions just to keep above the breadline. I could quip this is the best way to diet, as I have lost over ten pounds in weight since losing my job!! When I was laid off in a temp to perm role working for an extremely well known bank in the City – which needless to say, never ended up going permanent – I started my job search relatively confident I would have little problem finding another similar position. Recruitment agents/employers have always shown an interest in my CV in the past, and I was never short of interviews or job offers, when made redundant (as I have been…twice) or at the point where a contract ended. DIFFERENT STORY NOW! I have applied for tons of positions both locally and in the City and had not ONE reply. Not ONE! This is the REAL AND UGLY reality of this current climate. The Job Centre, even if I appreciate the staff are overworked and, some, try to be helpful, are NOT recruitment agents, so if you don\’t have own constructive action plan/networking ideas/agencies at hand, heaven help you if you rely on them for any guidance WHAT-SO-EVER. They are simply there to ensure you are fullfilling the criteria to claim JSA. When my name is called out I always get this completely unneccesary feeling of SHAME! Me, someone who has earned a living their entire life (without even an education in my teens due to illness in my childhood)!!! These are the feelings engendered when you have to sit before an advisor in an open-planned office, with people sitting right behind you, and meekly explain what you have done to find work. It is demoralising. I can give a myriad examples for my tireless job search, but feel awful when I have to cheerily add, "but…no replies as yet"! We project alot onto the archaic scrounger-Central image of a Job Centre and none of it is good for the soul! I am the sort not to be defined by others, but the insidious mix of this situation makes one ultra sensitive – a one-damning-image-fits-all marginalised JOBLESS person, unsure if I will ever find a position commensurate with my skills again, one step from poverty (because IT IS!). In as much as friends tell me "things will improve", and I keep my upbeat mantra going that indeed they will, if I continue on this archaic pittance red notices and CCJs are likely to hit my doorstep, and if I end up taking something at the minimum wage, bang goes my independence, flat, well, the chances to make anything of my life. One more thing – with all the checks the council do, I cannot fathom for the life of me HOW people commit benefit fraud!! There may be one or two shafting the system…but most of us are simply swimming in unchartered territory desperate to locate dry land and simply earn a decent living (and…errr…pay taxes) again. Liz

  9. david says:

    Here\’s the horrifying part about JSA. The government decides that £60.50 is adequate to live on.Now I get HB and CT benefit. If I got a job they would add the totals for JSA, HB and CT – lets say it comes to £158/week, then add about £15/ week for travel to it and then, maybe £5 for me. So I\’d be expected to take a job where I took home £178/ week.Now, I realise that JSA is the barest minimum to survive on but surely when you go to full time work you should be considerably better off than not working – not just better off by £5. Big Time!! Yes I know some people will say get a better paying job but Britain has a savagely low paid workforce. And I\’m single and don\’t have a partner who earns a high wage.I\’ve worked full time before and actually been about £2 a week better off than if I was unemployed – and I\’ve gotten no recognition, or kudos for it.Incidentally, it\’s supposed to cost about £10,000 a year in benefits to keep someone unemployed. Will Hutton said, why is there not a simple transference of funds and the Government pays that money to a company, so that they can afford to retain staff.These people who want claimants to work. I believe a lot of them aren\’t interested in seeing claimants work, and are more interested in seeing them humiliated. I certainly don\’t think that if they themselves become unemployed, they\’ll actually be all that keen on having to sweep the high street.

  10. barbs says:

    What are you supposed to do after 6 months on JSA when they stop your benefit – do you get income support or what?

  11. Unknown says:

    Like Bill, who commented below, I am nearly 60 and I quite agree with his comments about under 25s. My wife and I met when we were 18 and married at 19. From that day on, we had a home to run. A home that cost us every bit as much as it would have done had we been aged 30. In fact, due to our inexperience it probably cost us more. Now, 40 years later we are still being discriminated against as at our age well paid jobs are very difficult to find. I got made redundant from a reasonably well paid job in 2001 and haven\’t had a full time job since except for a brief period during 2006. Then I got made redundant again. I didn\’t bother to claim job seekers allowance as it is such a pittance that I wouldn\’t put myself through the indignity of claiming it. I figured that I could earn easily as much doing casual work for just one day a week. When I checked, I found that I wouldn\’t have been entitled to it anyway, as I have a tiny (£130 a month) pension from my previous railway job, and my wife works part time for minimum wage. I now have three low-paid part-time semi-casual jobs. The money\’s terrible, but at least it\’s more than JSA and I have the advantage that if one of them goes, I still have the other two. Even though the money\’s low, I still pay income tax, which I don\’t think anyone should be paying on less than £15,000 a year.

  12. Susan says:

    How I agree with your campaign for better JSA. My parner and I are both now out of work, have had the foresight to have mortgage protection policy, though only for mortgage interest and endowment policies, house insurance and mortgage policy. WE paid for this cover but it now seems that good ol\’ benefits agency will count all bar mortgage interest payment as income. So it looks like, in spite of being frugal and cover-concious, we are being penalised. We are not asking the government to cover our interest payments it\’s what we paid the policy for, so they are saving the taxpayer this amount, so why can\’t we keep the additional £100 to pay our mortgage-linked endowments and keep our hard-won roof over our heads? I think JSA should be, for genuine claimants, £60.50 per person, our joint JSA is a meagre £90!! Good ol\’ McNulty got £60000 of our money for his parents\’ home. One rule for them and sod us!! After all, we, the taxpayers, can\’t look forward to the sort of pensions we will pay them on retirement. We are all equal – except some are more equal than others !!

  13. Jude says:

    The paltry amount received on JSA is only part of the problem. The company I worked for closed its doors in the UK in 2003 and I signed on. Luckily I got another job after approx six months and the corporation allowed me to start within a further 3 months of accepting the position. The most sole destroying factor of being out of work and claiming your rightfully earned financial assistance is that there are so many conditions attached. My major beef is the fact that you may not engage in full time training, you may feel a positive step would be to retrain to work in an Industry which the job market is not deflated but apparently this would render you unable to be available for job seeking. This is ridiculous working in IT/Telecoms you can perfectly well train during the daytime and job search during the evenings and weekends, why because of the INTERNET that is why. Compared to the ridiculous Job Centre Plus\’s pathetic excuse for an IT solution job search engine (laughable) which either displayed \’JAVA script error!\’ (I think I know which corporation is responsible for the IT infrastructure) or even asked to look for jobs within a 30 mile radius in IT produced results for non IT related posts and the odd IT job in Belgium (bit of a compute and I don\’t think the JSA would cover the interview costs!). It is disgraceful, it needs overhauling and I don\’t think the money allocated in the budget is going to do it. Instead I spent a lot of money paying modem costs to search for jobs on my pc at home but I could easily have done that outside of normal hours and trained instead for something else. Eventually I was asked to go through some pathetic testing experience to see if there are other jobs I might be more suited to. Yes but then how do I retrain for them considering I would have been only eligible for part time training. During my time on JSA, I did some voluntary work for a local homeless charity in Brighton and Hove and felt this was the most rewarding thing about my time away from fulltime employment but even then I had to declare it and I belief that there was a limit on how many hours a week I could do this work. Thankfully I got another job before I went under. Being single at the time, I lived alone without family in the area and so I particuarly feel for Liz who has posted.

  14. Ramesh says:

    i was unemployed since december 08 and am on benefits i went to the jobcentre to ask for help but was told there is not much can be done regarding what i want to do but i dont understand how did the goverment recently annouced that their are giving help to the unemployed.I cant see what help they are giving.

  15. Ramesh says:

    i agree with your comment and would like to see the benefit go up due to the living cost and all thye bills which is sharply raiseing up what help do we get.

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